About survivorswhostandtogether

“Who Are We” Survivors who stand together are a team of survivors of Ireland's industrial schools, working together to try and get justice for all survivors, we are all in the one boat here, no nobody is above or below one and other, we stand for equal justice for all survivors and their families. Our mission is; (Survivors Who Stand Together) Act as a Voice ~ Broker for all Survivors needing our help to insure all Survivors of Ireland's Industrial Schools are helped and supported by the “Support Groups” who are State Funded to “Help & Support” all Survivors and their Families. "Please Note" - (Survivors Who Stand Together) welcome you to Feel free to leave a comment. Comments deemed to be defamatory or libellous will not be published.

CARANUA FUND USING SURVIVORS WHO STAND TOGETHR MATERIAL to PROMOTE CARANUA SITE

THEY NEVER ASKED Survivors who Stand Together  IF THEY COULD USE MY MATERIAL FOR THE CARANUA WEBPAGE AFTER ALL THEY GET PAID I DO NOT NOT ONE CENT to THEIR 98,000 and more in wages.

Survivors who stand together have to date NOT received one cent for any work carried out for fellow survivors we are not professionals we do not represent we are simply Survivors who are standing up for ourselves because we were NOT LEGALLY REPRESENTED in any dealings to-date for Caranua / Statutory fund neither were we asked and as Survivors we had our OWN SITES here in Ireland and the UK.

In Ireland it is ( Survivors who stand Together ) and ( Shame of Ireland )both Ireland and UK. These two sites are PURELY SURVIVOR BASED Material only for Survivors because we do not recognize any Funded Support Groups as they do Not represent us LEGALLY  or in any documented detailed agreements.

The Caranua Fund has NO RIGHT to use any of our material to promote their site the Caranua Fund without our permission.

Any questions asked in Dail Eirann is solely for the use of Survivors of abuse who stand together here and any Survivor who wishes to join us here.

We Recognize Clare Daly as our Voice in Politics as she has done a great deal for us asking questions that need asking as we find ourselves left in the dark from day one.

Here are the questions Clare has raised for us in the Dail.

http://www.caranua.ie/news/398/parliamentary_questions___26_march_2015http://www.caranua.ie/news/524/parliamentary_questions___22_september_2015http://www.caranua.ie/news/411/parliamentary_questions___22_april_2015http://caranua.ie/news/519/parliamentary_questions___09_june_2015

And many more too. We Survivors who Stand together thank you Clare Daly Td

Another site KILDARE ST. worth a read so Survivors can see we Survivors who Stand together have worked very hard for our own knowledge so there was no need for massive wages as we have covered more ground than any CEO or staff member of CARANUA we want fair open transparency as you will find on our site here and here

https://www.facebook.com/industrialschools.ireland for over the period Robert M. has been questioning all happenings trying hard to EXPOSE those who have wronged Surviors and continue to do so.

we also have a site called Survivors whop stand together on facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/survivorswhostandtogether/

That site Survivors who stand together being the original one running for sometime now makes a very interesting read if one takes the time. Again run by Robert M.

Surname with held and fora good reason as many have tried to bully Robert and give his ID away but he holds it only for the purpose of fearing the gagging order and  in the very NATURE of his work, many are upset as you can imagine as EXPOSING CORRUPTION IS NOT AN EASY TASK.

CARANUA STEALING SURVIVORS WHO STAND TOGETHER MATERIAL TO PROMOTE THEIR WEBPAGE

A LETTER to Mary Higgins CEO Caranua fund

Hi Mary i am concerned to be seeing my questions on your site i had Clare Daly raise on behalf of myself I think this is an invasion of my work i carried out for Survivors who stand together and not for the Caranua web page so please why was i NOT asked if this materiel can be used, I have worked very very hard and transparently and as honest as i can to see and research all information for my fellow survivors I will be contacting Clare on this matter too. I see this as totally unfair and unjust of the Caranua to use this material asit was work I carried out for my fellow survivors as i said. I should have been asked on this matter as it was in concern for my own and other children as our young children have been BLOCKED yet again from much needed funds and Families are suffering POVERTY due to CHILD and Family abuse. I see this as an infringement on my work and all my time as i work every day honestly for my fellow Survivors.

I am looking forward to hearing from you on this matter and also to the matter regarding Ger? what ever her name is as she is a member of your Staff, who terminated my phone call on the matter of asking for an explanation of what she considered as Caranua Guidelines as they seem so diverse and open to interpretation and unfairness regarding this Redress fund or is it a redress fund? if so I still would like an explanation as to why we Survivors were NOT advised LEGALLY on the setup of this fund.more bullshit using my workSurvivors who stand together material is being used to Prolong arguments from Survivors as we also have our calls TERMINATED when ever we ask awkward QUESTIONS.

So here are some Questions unanswered so far.

1, why was a secret indemnity agreement held between some Government Ministers and Religious Ministers ?

2. Since the Government APOLOGIZED why do Survivors have to pay 600 million to the Irish Government for crimes they committed/admitted against Irish families to help THEM pay for Redress? The Abuse is NOT the same as the Government were Guilty of Cultural Abuse and the Rligious were Guilty of Sexual emotional and physical abuse.

3. Why does minister Quinn who was acting Minister of Education refer to Survivors of abuse to claim the Religious money of 600 million to pay for this Redress the Government themselves offered? When ever was there a 50 50 deal for Fines for crimes committed especially when the forms of Abuse are in different from Government to Religious?

4. This Minister Quinn also promised a 110 million to survivors of abuse why only 110 million? this is NOT the full sum from Religious the sum was 600 million for the ABUSES they committed after all the Government chose REDRESS and OFFERED to FINANCE this REDRESS. So why charge Survivors of their abuse for their Sufferings?

5. Why were Support Groups referred to regarding Meetings and dealings and NOT LEGAL OFFICES? as the Group Staff were unqualified inexperienced uneducated in all fields regarding funding and all safety precautions needed for such vulnerable Families including and especially young  CHILDREN giving this being a cause of CHILD ABUSE where these staff members were NOT Police checked a very similar attitude to trusting the religious in institutions yet again.?

6.  A/ Where is this so called 110 Million euro fund? and who gave the Education Minister the right to judge survivors of addiction behaviors to take hold of this 110 million and form a fund? YET at the same time Survivors had been redressed with much larger sums? B/ why are survivors described as old feeble weak aging uneducated sick dying to also support the claim a fund is needed yet after a certain time they are turned away after being informed they have enough? A very very strange behavior indeed. C/ why were Survivors NOT LEGALLY REPRESENTED regarding the 600 million Religious Compensation/Redress? that Minister Quinn and his cronies walked in on a dodgy 50 50 deal taking the full amount?  D/ where is the Interest rate of this so called 110 million? 1/ who is investing it where is it invested and why ? 2/ is it to be taxed? E/ why inexperienced Support Groups and NOT a LEGAL Support Office? F/ Considering Survivors never had a choice of who is on the Board of this fund CARANUA, how and why was a Staff member fully trusted by the Education Minister Quinn and Mary Higgins REMOVED almost  as soon as he had started and trusted as a TRUSTEE of the Board? and why is his Site back up after he was REMOVED from the CARANUA and Memorial fund were very vulnerable Survivors have no idea who he is or why he was removed from these Governmental funds regarding Vulnerable Survivors of Child abuse?  ( this site needs to be removed also or the person involved ) G/ why and how did it come about that SURVIVORS have to PAY MASSIVE WAGE Structures of this CARANUA Fund Supposingly it is a REDRESS FUND? and that these wages nd offices and all equipment are all coming from this redress payment from the RELIGIOUS as this is NOT GOVERNMENT MONEY ? H/ How was it the EDUCATION MINISTER QUINN and NOT THE HEALTH MINISTER  have/ had full control of this CARANUA REDRESS fund? Why is it Young Children have NEVER BEEN FUNDED TO DATE and all involved Governmet Education Minister Religious and Groups as well as the HSE and Media know that YOUNG CHILDREN are to LOOSE OUT regarding ANY REDRESS FUNDS especially for health and educational developmental and skills where they lack VITAL MEMBERS of the FAMILY all down to the ABUSE of CHILDREN by both STATE AND RELIGIOUS? ( this is the Evidence of further NEGLECT by STATE AND RELIGIOUS AND GROUPS INCLUDING HSE ) i/ WHO is paying these installments of the 110 million (fraction of RELIGIOUS REDRESS) or is the INTEREST RATES of the CARANUA FUND we have no idea of actually toping up the REDRESS to make the sum of 110 million as the sum seems not to have grown but had been used up at a massive pase compared to survivors who have benefited from this fund as a near 40-50 million was claimed to have been spent at under 3000 survivors in just one to two years?J/ Why is there absalutley no evidence of any transactions regarding the 600 million the 110 million giving this money is NOT belonging to Government or Religious as it is supposed to redress the poverty living of families who are trying to survive after all related abuse ?

7 where is the 500,000 supposing memorial money ? ( saying this survivors did not want a Religious SHRINE the Groups like ROPSC tried to support.

8. Why are Young Children being blocked from ALL FUNDS and why is the support Groups turning a BLIND eye to this concern? Young Children have not seen or do they have any funds where older relatives have benefited from, according to the 2002 original Education fund. Parents of YOUNG CHILDREN found to their HORROR their CHILDREN / DEPENDENTS were TURNED AWAY from this 2002 REDRESS FUND for Education/ Family tracing and counseling in SECRET as it was NOT part of any agreement ALSO HELD IN SECRET between GOVERNMENT FUNDED  GROUPS HSE and RELIGIOUS. so YET AGAIN WE HAVE THE NEGLECT of EQUALITY here as Children were and are Present in the time of the agreed Education fund of 2002 , B/ When the education Minister Jan O Sullivan was questioned on this matter over the past few years she referred to this matter in according with the ( not 20002 agreement  where older relatives did benefit from Education funds  KNOWING CHILDREN were NOT INCLUDED ) but in according yet again 2012 redress agreement she actually threw this argument into the 2012 agreement whereit certainly does NOT BELONG as she had  DELIBERATELY avoided the parental issue of YOUNG CHILDREN knowing they DID NOT QUALIFY for the 2002 fund. In other words she refused Parental needs yet again regarding developmental and skills for young children as she said according to the 2012 redress act RELATIVES are NOT ENTITLED to CARANUA fund as they had benefited already from the 2002 redress fund  SHE KNEW CHILDREN DID NOT QUALIFY in SECRET but is using the old redress 2002 and throwing ALL RELATIVES CHILDREN as well knowing they never benefitted from any funds what a FILTHY COVER UP

 

The Irish system should be ashamed of them self’s !!

Dear Frances (Minister for Justice)

Seeing as you refuse to meet with me in person and my constant regular emails don’t seem to get to you either I have decided to write you an open letter. As you know my case is with the Panel Review who are looking at 300 cases of police corruption and mishandling in Ireland. My case is at the higher end of serious mishandling given that I was sexually abused by three retired police officers who may be the father of the child I gave birth to at the age of eleven and who your Government are still paying a police pension to.

My daughter Noleen Murphy born in my family home was then murdered to protect those who could have fathered her. One of the police officers was at the scene of the murder to help to cover up the murder. But you already know all that and so have all your predecessors since 1996.

So back to the review, you announced in the Dail some time ago now that your party were holding off the Terms of Reference for the Commission to Investigate into the Guerin Report in this event that some of the cases of the Panel Review might be added to that investigation.

I did a press conference in April 2014  http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/shatter-urged-to-set-up-house-of-horrors-inquiry-30157573.html

You simply announced you had put together a panel to look at our cases and then left us in the dark, we didn’t know what if any Terms of Reference were for the Panel, we didn’t even know right up until September if they had began to look at our cases, and we didnt know what areas of our cases were being looked at. Despite many emails asking about this and phone calls we were once again left in the dark.

Speaking for myself I felt victimized and isolated and very badly let down all over again, quite simply put, the system you put in place to supposedly approach police corruption was full of silence and confusing and not much different to how I was treated by the police for the last twenty years.

But then you lifted my spirits when you announced that some of our cases might be added to the Commission to Investigate for the Guerin report.

That was shirt lived though when last night (19/12/14) at the close of day and on the close of the Christmas holiday you released the Terms of Reference for the Guerin Report and there is NO mention of the 300 cases that the Panel Review Team are looking at?

Enter confusion and betrayal and darkness and despair my loyal friends once again, now we go into the Christmas period once again alone and isolated and full of questions and a large sense of betrayal, this of course was done deliberately. Make your announcement and close for Christmas, no where open for this 300 victims to ring or ask questions, left completely in the dark and worrying if this means that our cases are not going to be heard by a fully transparent and open Inquiry into very serious matters.

May I also remind you that a lot of us have lost loved ones, I myself lost three siblings to suicide because we were left in our family home to be abused and no one rescued us despite our family being involved with Social Workers.

So Christmas is a very painful time of the year anyway for a lot of us, but that doesn’t seem to occur to you or any of your party as you all dash off now to enjoy your Christmas, you see, you have the answers, you are in the know, but 300 victims and their families will now spend Christmas upset and confused and very worried, if I had one word of advise to give you Ms Fitzgerald it would be to look up the word VICTIM, and maybe spend your holiday reading up a bit on how a victim suffers.

This open letter is going to be shared far and wide over the holiday period for others to see how victims are treated in Ireland and of course I will be emailing it as always to every other member of the Irish Government and asking other victim’s to email their own letter to you info@justice.ie and to your Facebook page on https://www.facebook.com/FitzgeraldFrances

I am calling on you now to make an announcement when you return to office to the 300 victims and let us know what is happening with our cases and when we might expect to hear the outcome of the Review Panel.

Yours Cynthia Owen (Dalkey House of Horrors).

redress scheme informed minimalist offer from the state

Louise O’ Keeffe the lady who took the Irish State to European Courts of human rights and won! Now the state want to give her buttons, just as they did with Survivors of Ireland’s industrail schools €300 thousand was the cap on the redress board payments my eye I know of survivors who received buttons and abuse at the redress board! Shame on the Irish government !!

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/high-cost-of-redress-scheme-informed-minimalist-offer-from-the-state-1.2040112

NEW PETITION! PLEASE SIGN & SHARE!

Please sign and share this petition.

“Support Groups” claiming to represent Survivors Irelands Industrial Schools

https://www.change.org/p/support-groups-claiming-to-represent-survivors-irelands-industrial-schools-ombudsman-ombudsman-gov-ie-communications-oireachtas-ie-privateoffice-taoiseach-gov-ie-missing-millions-full-independent-public-inquiry-into-how-survivors-of-ireland-s-industr?utm_campaign=responsive_friend_inviter_chat&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&recruiter=22360502

Full Independent PUBLIC Inquiry

(Survivors Who Stand Together ) are calling on the Government to hold a full independent inquiry into all so called support groups who have received millions in funds from the Church and State. We demand to know how our funds have been spent and still to this day how they are been spent?

Certain groups claiming to represent Survivors of Ireland’s Industrial Schools have to account for the funds they are received, we set this petition up due to a large number of complaints about failures in the so called support groups. It appears that the groups are running family business / cottage industry resulting in Survivors funds been spent!